Proposal for Jup DAO Alliance: Huma Finance

Understood — but if the vote doesn’t pass, will the team consider building something similar internally that brings actual value back to JUP stakers?

Also, if we’re shifting utility and value capture to Huma — a third-party protocol — is it really safe to start depositing capital or even JUP tokens there?
There aren’t many projects in crypto I genuinely trust, but I do trust Jupiter. Should I trust Huma too? Has anyone done proper due diligence on the company, the team, or the protocol mechanics?

Because if this passes, even without direct endorsement, it sends a signal — and part of our own community will likely follow the opportunity and move capital there. It may be “under their own risk,” but it’ll feel like it came with the team’s blessing. That’s not a light message to send.

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Appreciate your efforts summarizing the space for those who missed it. Thanks :folded_hands:

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Thank you for pointing that out I felt like I’ve been missing something :slight_smile:

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Stalkers eating good… I believe there’re more in line coming soon.

Very bullish on Huma Finance . LFG :rocket:

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sure …Huma finance!!!

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Yes, all JUP stakers will be eligible to participate in the pre-sale if the proposal passes the DAO vote.

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One has nothing to do with the other and I’m not sure what you mean by “building something”. The result of this vote is immaterial to the JUP token.

You’ve been on the “JUP utility” theme for a while now and I give you credit for trying to facilitate the changes you wish to see but it’s been made clear over and over again that JUP will remain a governance token only for the foreseeable future. Feel free to keep lobbying but I don’t see it happening anytime soon.

We would not be depositing JUP tokens there, we would be giving them JUP tokens in exchange for Huma tokens. They would own them and how they use them would be up to them (after the lock up, of course).

As for depositing capital, due diligence on Huma is something that everyone will have to do for themselves. Just because the opportunity is being presented doesn’t mean it’s an endorsement. Anyone who assumes so is jumping to a conclusion.

Any information you receive in this forum, on Discord, or on X about Huma, their finances, or the team should be independently verified by each individual considering an investment. We are each responsible for our own decisions and actions. As always, NFA and DYOR.

The only signals it would send are A) that people want the opportunity to purchase Huma tokens at the prescribed valuation and that B) they’re willing to gamble on the $250k token swap.

Personally, I do not intend to participate in the pre-sale but would not stand in the way of others wishing to do so. I’m mostly indifferent about the token swap. We would be swapping ~50k JUP for ~33.3M Huma and I don’t see either side dumping after the lockup. Rather, I see both sides participating in governance with neither side having much affect on the other.

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Let him cook sir. @ihateoranges has got my full backing. I admire not only his persistence but the way he is presenting the rationale behind his ideas.

Team wants us to believe that user growth, revenue, transactions, community all those metrics count. Only if we allow them one miracle, which is Jup will go up by vibing and posting cool cat picture.

The elephant in the room is that despite all what we’ve done so far, we’re nowhere near becoming bigger and better than uniswaps or binances of this world.

I know some other protocol that don’t want to mention the name her that’s eating everyones lunch with zero marketing from the team. Protocol for the people owned by the people.

Lessons to be learned or we can carry on pretend to leave on a yellow submarine.

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Look forward to voting yes on this one for sure.

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Hi team,

First of all, this is an awesome initiative benefiting both communities. I wanted to ask if there is any available documentation detailing Huma Finance’s tokenomics?

Thanks in advance!

Yes, from the beginning, Meow has made it clear that the primary function of $JUP is as a governance token rather than as a token with traditional utility or direct value capture. This reflects a long-term experiment in community coordination.

However, over a year into the experiment, a clear path for the token remains elusive. Although governance is its stated purpose, its power largely feels symbolic. Despite having hundreds of thousands of holders, the community still struggles to make impactful decisions.

This can create the perception that the token is losing relevance, even though Jupiter’s products and partnerships are driving growth. This growth doesn’t directly translate back to the $JUP asset, which can lead to this perception.

From the beginning, $JUP was designed with a self-limiting approach (at least in my humble opinion), deliberately avoiding utility and direct value capture mechanisms. While this aligns with the founding philosophy, it raises questions about sustainability.

Experiments require feedback loops. For example, what would happen if staking levels dropped significantly, say, below 20–30% of the circulating supply? Could the resulting lack of economic alignment become a critical issue, especially since contributors are compensated in $JUP and USDC? Often, they sell the token to cover expenses without needing to hold it long-term. (If not in JUP yet, it will be sooner or later.)
Should the model be reevaluated based on these signals?

Another key decision is the exclusion of $JUP from JupNet. While the details of JupNet are still vague, this decision limits $JUP’s potential utility further. If the current vision doesn’t succeed, will there be an admission of failure, an evolution of the model, or perhaps the launch of JUP v2?

It is essential to define clear success metrics for this experiment and outline contingency plans in case of failure.

Many individuals have invested real capital in this project, so greater clarity on these points would be beneficial.

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Let me just make it simple for all the people out there with a few simple scenarios from investors point of view.

You want to invest money in a protocol.

Protocol A) Just buzzwords, hasn’t build anything valuable, promises etc …

Protocol B) Hard working team, great metrics, no revenue.

Protocol C) Hard working team, PMF, revenue, great community.

Protocol D) Hard working team, PMF, great community, good revenue and on top of it they share the rev with their token holders.

If you think of any other scenarios feel free to add.

Where would you invest your money?

I think they’ve been very clear. JUP is a governance token and that will not change for the foreseeable future. Period. That may not be the “clarity” you want to hear but it is still quite clear.

Also, buying the JUP token is NOT “investing capital in this project”. It is price speculation pure and simple and there is a huge difference. Investing conveys an actual ownership stake; speculation does not. Buying JUP is no different than buying a trading card (baseball, basketball, Pokemon, etc.) or other “collectable” and its value is subject to the whims of the market.

TBH, I don’t think much of anything would happen. From the beginning, they said this is an experiment with a high risk of failure. I think they might just let it runs its course but I could be wrong.

Besides, you could ask, “What if?” all day long. It’s like the child who asks a question, you give him the answer and he asks, “Why?”. Then you give him the answer to that and he again asks, “Why?”. You could keep asking “Why?” for eternity. The curiosity is admirable but at some point you need to accept that answers that you’ve been given.

We’re also veering off-topic here as this thread is supposed to be for the Huma Finance proposal but you keep trying to make it about the JUP token.

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And this is where soooo many people get this wrong.

Buying internet tokens does not equal investing. You are not buying ownership stake in anything. It is price speculation on a “collectable” and nothing more.

If you wanted to really invest your money, you would choose something with an actual rate of return based on revenue, etc. and not a governance token.

Name one token that gives you an ownership stake in the protocol. I don’t think you can. Because then it would be a security and - at least in the US - the SEC would be all over that protocol.

Mate, do you think SEC or US gives a fuck about the protocol buying back those “collectables” and burning, with revenue they create? Or locking them indefinitely?

There are too many ways of peeling the skin of a chicken. What are you a 10 years old?

As for naming another protocol, I’m not gone mention any names… But I can give you a hint, if you want

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This thread is for the Huma Finance Proposal and it appears we’re veering way off-topic so I’ll disengage from anything that isn’t directly related to the proposal.

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does anyone know the full TVL of HUMA?

If you’re having difficulty understanding here’s some findings from Deep Research via ChatGPT:

Have fun voting!

Glad you read that again.